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In article <4ilsno$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
(Stranahan) writes:

>I'm going - why don't a group of you gather and lynch me?
>
>
>_____________________________________________
>Lee Stranahan
>URL - http://users.aol.com/stranahan/main.htm
>
>

    oh, sounds like a blast.. but seriously..


     I'm not going to NAB, but is anyone going to E3? The video game
convention? I'd be interested in meeting fellow lightwave based video game
creators..



Jason Booth
Second Nature, Inc.
 "I'm programing a raytracer that only outputs in ASCII art! I'LL BE
RICH!!!!"



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Prem Subrahmanyam wrote:
>
> Has anyone seen the latest "Chrome nuts" (oops, I mean balls) ad
> in CGW?  Anyone read the copy?  My favorite quote is...
>
> "NewTek makes powerful, easy-to-use tools for everyone--not
> just the Hollywood elite (but we like them really a lot)...."
>
> Who the heck did they get to write this?  A foreign exchange
> student? (no offense intended toward foreign members of this
>
There *arent* any foreign members, since the internet is world-wide.



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From: "Bryan J. Blevins" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: MultiPlatform Removable Media
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> I just spent the last hour or so trying in vain to get the Mac here at
> work to recognize a Jaz cartridge that's got a bunch of animations I did
> at home on my DEC Alpha.  To eliminate the need for anyone to suggest the
> obvious, both the Mac and the Alpha work just fine with cartriges
> formatted specifically for each individual machine, so that's not the
> issue.  The problem is that the mac cannot or will not recognize either an
> NTFS formatted cart. or a FAT formatted cart, which in a way makes sense,
> but is still pretty stupid considering that I can read PC floppies on the
> mac, and considering that one of the main reasons I bought the Jaz was so
> I could do this type of thing.
>

I don't have a solid solution to your problem, but this may help.

FAT Format the jaz drive with a number of partitions not bigger than 500 Meg.  This is a common IDE
partition limit and PC Exchange may be confused by a larger drive.
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From: [e-mail] (Simon Blackledge)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: 32bit Alpha Emulation
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In message <4ilfal$[e-mail]>
        [e-mail](William A. Mendez ) writes:

> In <4il6qb$[e-mail]> [e-mail]
> writes:


> I heard that there is a new emulator for NT Alpha that will alow us
> Alpha geeks to run 32 bit windows apps. on our Alphas.  Anyone else
> heard about it?  Sure would be great to be able to run photoshop, and
> other programs, even at "non alpha" speed.


> FX!32 is currently in beta testing and should be released around the
> same time as NT 4.0.

What fx32?
sound intresting :-]

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Simon Blackledge                                       [e-mail]
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From: [e-mail] (Simon Blackledge)
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Any one using the new 32bit version of this editing package .I am
looking at razor mach 3 as premiere is so buggy.--
Simon Blackledge                                       [e-mail]
                 Creators of Digital Visual Effects
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From: [e-mail] (Simon Blackledge)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: TV: Why always LW and not 3DS?
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In message <4ii8jg$[e-mail]>
        [e-mail] (Christopher Stewart) writes:


> In a message dated 16 Mar 1996 21:22:01 [e-mail] writes:

> W> What really bugged me during this was how NewTek would claim that B5 was
> W> done  with LightWave.  Well, my (most current version available) copy of
> W> LightWave  couldn't do some of what was being done.  They weren't using
> W> LightWave.  They  were using some special modified version of LightWave.

>      Try re-creating the M&M's commercials....

> <grunt>

> Christopher

>                 **********************************************
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> * Offline Orbit 0.73c *

I have not seen the advert ,i`min the u.k .
What does happen?What is there that u rekon could not be done in rev 4.0c?
<This is not meant to be sarcastic ,I just want to know as i see sod
all lw stuff on telly over here.<apart from my own :-}}>>

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Simon Blackledge                                       [e-mail]
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From: [e-mail] (Simon Blackledge)
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Subject: Re: Star Wars and LightWave
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In message <4ilssi$[e-mail]>
        [e-mail] (Stranahan) writes:


>  I love B5, but I'm with you there:  however, I think S:AAB is as
> good
>  as anything I've ever seen, EXCEPT for the damn engine flames.

> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ------------

> Well, then you'll love the film my brother Ken and I are working
> on....expect am effects somewhere between SAAB (where Ken was a big part
> of establishing the look) and Apollo 13......




> _____________________________________________
> Lee Stranahan
> URL - http://users.aol.com/stranahan/main.htm


Need any help :-}

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Simon Blackledge                                       [e-mail]
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From: [e-mail] (Simon Blackledge)
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Subject: Re: Chromakey/Bluescreen compositing with Lightwave
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In message <[e-mail]>
        [e-mail] (Jim May) writes:

> In article <4iheqe$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Simon
> Blackledge) wrote:

> > In message <[e-mail]>
> >         [e-mail] (Jim May) writes:

> > > A VASTLY better solution that I just discovered this week while
working on
> > > exactly this sort of problem, is to take your video signal and run it
> > > through an ordinary external video keyer, and then digitize THAT.
> <snip me>

> >
> > Don`t you get bad anti-a if your keying on a singlre colour?
> > --
> > Simon Blackledge                                       [e-mail]
> >                  Creators of Digital Visual Effects
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> Oh, usually; it can be jagged as hell.  In my particular application, I
> have no choice; our Mandala app has only what amounts to a one-bit alpha
> channel.

> I am using Premiere to do the cutting-out right now, and it has smoothing
> and blending options in its Transparency (keying) settings, depending on
> the keying method.  These can be used if you need a gentler transition in
> your composites.

> If you use LW, you will likely get that problem, but that's why I try not
> to use it for compositing anymore.



Yeah i use premiere also with pvr.Much better than lw .Although i am
pretty lazy ,i use the keyer in prem to make a matt then use
foregroun n matt in lw during the render for tests.
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Simon Blackledge                                       [e-mail]
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Ernie Wright <[e-mail]> writes:

>> >>  > Very slick windows interface and it's 32 bit.

>> > but the freakin' thing is THREE MEGABYTES!???

>> :)  The actual executable 26K.  The rest are DLL, OCXs and whatnot that
>> get installed to various places (sigh) if you don't already have them.
>> Moose brazier...  :)

>I have nothing useful to add.  I just think it's incredibly funny.

>- Ernie
    I dont know for sure,but I think a 1/2k batch file could do
the same thing (not that i'm going to provide one :-)
    Steven
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From: [e-mail] (Blaise Fanning)
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Subject: Re: 32bit Alpha Emulation
Date: 19 Mar 1996 12:45:36 GMT
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In article <4im67f$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>> I heard that there is a new emulator for NT Alpha that will alow us
>> Alpha geeks to run 32 bit windows apps. on our Alphas.  Anyone else
>> heard about it?  Sure would be great to be able to run photoshop, and
>> other programs, even at "non alpha" speed.
>
>
>> FX!32 is currently in beta testing and should be released around the
>> same time as NT 4.0.
>
>What fx32?
>sound intresting :-]
>

Although I'm shy and don't really like to post in public forums,
especially when I could be accused of self-promotion (;-)), I thought
that I'd take this opportunity to reveal a bit of what I know about
FX!32.  The gloves have recently come off about what I can say and what I
can't; however, I'm going to divide my post clearly into "things that
Digital would agree with publicly" and "things that are my own personal
opinion".
---------------------------

First, "Things that Digital would agree with publicly" :

FX!32 is a Digital product that currently is slated to be released as
freeware sometime around the middle of the year.  Its intent is to allow
users of Alpha/NT systems to run *all* 32-bit Intel applications.  These
include applications written for Intel/NT and Intel/Win95.  The mechanism
that will be used to do this is best described as a dynamic recompilation
of Intel object or binary code.  Digital's stated goal is to run the
Intel code at least 70% as fast as it would have run if it had been
compiled natively on Alpha.  So, if our top-of-the-line product, the
21164A at 366 MHz (**shameless plug**) were to run Photoshop, it should
run at least 1.4 times the speed that it would run on a Pentium Pro
200MHz, since the 21164A/366 is twice as fast as the PPro/200.

---------------------------

Now, "Things that I have never heard Digital say, but believe."

After having seen FX!32 run, I am pretty sure that Digital will meet
their speed goals.  The speed is not quite there yet, but is in the range
to get there by the time they're done.

The interesting compatibility issues mostly seem to revolve around
installation, since some applications seem to use 32-bit-but-not-Win32
code in their installers.  This will be helped immensely by the release
of Windows NT 4.0, which will have 32 bit emulation in it.

---------------------------

Incidentally, it is my understanding that we are now demonstrating
Photoshop running under FX!32 at CEBit over in Germany.  If any of you
will be at NAB, we should be showing it again there, so that you can
judge the utility and performance for yourselves.


Blaise Fanning
VP Engineering
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From: Eneko Cajigas <[e-mail]>
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Subject: animating characters
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Does anybody know an easy way to animate facial expresions of
3D characters.
I mean some software uses splines or boxes round the faces of
characters that alows you to change the facial expresions by
simply draging some control points that open mouth or eyes and
so...

I got the impression that lightwave is usefull for flying
logos and dificult camera movements? and what happens with
character animation!!!!???

Success

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The real thing is simple:
LW have ray tracing quality
while 3Ds have just phong quakity images.




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From: TL Westgate <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Hijack 95 and IFF's
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 08:24:41 -0500
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Jeff Holinski wrote:
>
> Anybody here using Hijack 95?
> I perfer to render most of my LightWave stuff as IFF's to save disk space.
> That's not a problem for stuff that I move over to the PAR on my Amiga, but if
> I just want to look at a test image I'm out of luck.
>
> I know Photoshop loads IFF, but it's also overkill as an image viewer. I used
> to use Graphic Workshop, but for some reason it started showing IFF's badly
> mangled (red, green, and blue channels are seperated) and their web site seems
> to be permenantly offline so I can't get a new copy to re-install.
> HiJack 95 is supposed to support IFF, but I've heard a lot of bad things about
> older versions of the program and IFF support. Has it gotten any better?
>
> Jeff H...

I use HiJaak 95 all the time. It is great! It reads and writes IFFs just
 fine. I find it especially useful if I render a texture to apply as a
texture map and a transparency map, to right click on the rendered image
in Explorer, click on HiJaak View, click on All Colors to Black, and
save the image as ImageNameAlpha.iff, then load the b/w version into
Layout as well. Viola, (almost) instant tranparency map with very little
bother.

I highly recommend it.

TL

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Subject: Re: Star Wars and LightWave
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On 3/15/96 12:53PM, in message <4iclce$[e-mail]>, Zoltan Hunt
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> Got into a minnor argument with my brother last night over the CG
> effects in Bablon5 and other SCiFi shows like StarWars and StarTrek, his
> point being that stuff done with models looked realistic, while B5 et-al
> looked bad.
>
> I'm wondering: What type of factors come into play if you want to do
> stuff that will pass for a model, I know Voager looks fine, and this was
> exactly the problem they had (interspacing CG and "real" models), are
> there things like certain lights used in filming models, certain surface
> types, etc.
>
> Lets get something going here, because, as much as I like B5, at the end
> of the day, all I could say was it was a different look, while even old
> stuff like Space:1999's ships looked more realistic than some B5 stuff.
> Zoltan
>
>

    The difference is in the art direction. Regardless of the time money and
talent involved at the animation level, nothing will look like models if the
intention is to create something different.  People always say that CGI doesn't
look like models, and I say why should it?  Models don't look "real" they look
"cool".  Did you think the Star Destroyer looked real?  I doubt it.  Did you
think the T-Rex in Jurassic looked real?  Probably.  We are all used to the
kind of artificiality that space models have.  As an example of how art
direction matters, look at the original Flash Gordon serials.  Did those models
look good OR real?  No way.  The techniques used in Star Wars were the same,
but the people doing it had a better eye for reality (or percieved reality).
There have been no technical advancements in special effects since around 1927
that I'm aware of--even CGI uses the same exact ideas.  Last year I spoke to
Linwood Dunn about this and he agreed (Linn was one of the creators of the
optical printer and was the head of FX for RKO, and did the optical work for
King Kong-the original, Citizen Kane, and the original Star Trek, amongst
hundreds of other things).
    The idea for the CGI in Voyager was to duplicate the look of the model, and
it was accomplished.  The idea for the CGI in B5 is NOT to duplicate models,
but to try something new and different.  Your brother may not like it, but it's
not the fault of CGI in general or Lightwave in particular.  The idea for the
CGI in Space:A&B is to be in the Star Wars vein (but not _exactly_), and I
think it looks great.  You may be able to look at the show and say "that looks
like CGI", but, on the other hand, you can look at Star Wars and say "that
looks like models".  I don't know why one of those statements is acceptable and
the other isn't--as long as both are quality.
    I'm sure every 10 year old who saw Star Wars knew that they used models,
but I think they didn't know how Jurassic Park was done (as far as the CGI).
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Stranahan wrote:
>
> I'm going - why don't a group of you gather and lynch me?
>
> _____________________________________________
> Lee Stranahan
> URL - http://users.aol.com/stranahan/main.htm----
hey Lee, need a bodyguard?

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> Ageed, 3DS can do some nice stuff, But it's major failing is that it
> is much harder to use than lightwave and it takes long to do simple
> things. Moving a ship along a complicated path in lightwave is a
> simple task. In 3DS it isn't so easy. Of course Imagine is even harder
> :)I think it is all a matter of what you are used to. I have been using Imagine for several
years and can tell you that moving a ship aling a complicated path is very easy. However not
having done it in other software platforms they would probably be hard for me. Just for
comparison Ill tell you the proceedure to do this in Imagine then you tell me how you do it
in Lightwave. I am not trying to start a flame war here, But am considdering switching to
lightwave and am curious about how easy different tasks are in Lightwave.

Anyways to do the above task you simply create the path in the first frame of the sequence
in the stage editor(very easy). Then in the Action editor asign the objects position to that
path(once again very easy). How does this compare to LW.

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From: Prem Subrahmanyam <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: New Program - Call for suggestions :)
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How about supporting some sort of third-party image processing
plugin scheme (whether it be your own, or support for something
like photoshop plugins, etc.).  This way, we could write our own
image filters that would be batch-processed onto images.
-- Prem
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[e-mail]
Home Page: http://dev.uol.com/~prem/index.html
Programmer, graphics designer, fossil nut extraordinaire.
"Have you seen your Graptolites today?"

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From: [e-mail] ("Glyn Williams")
Subject: Re: TV: Why always LW and not 3DS?
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Seeya writes.....
> Unless LW runs slower on an Amiga than a PC of the same speed, the
> comparison
> seems acceptable to me - while there will be a _large_ margin of error,
> even
> presuming that the 486 is running over twice the speed of the Amiga
> (and it sure
> as hell is not) 3ds renders _many_ times faster.
> In other words, if you want to dismiss my opinion, I hand you a silver
> platter, on which is a golden trumph, entitled "There was no control
> machine" :-)

There are a number of mistakes in this post. Comparing Amiga's to PCs is
a difficult thing to do. The cost of a current Amiga machine equates to a
Pentium or machine up to 10 times the  performance.
However you can safely compare Lightwave on the PC with 3DS on the same
PC.

> Now, you say this is outdated information, I don't quite follow, but I
> presume
> you mean LW performs differently on a PC? (Maybe not, want to
> elaberate?) At
> any rate, my experience, (as well as what I know of rendering
> algorithms,) is
> currently telling me that no raytracer, inc LW, could render at the
> kind of
> speed 3ds does (providing you have the ram, if not, it's anyones
> guess...), but
> I'm open to arguments against, just as long as the arg has more
> substance than

Your post makes the assumption that Lightwave is a raytracer. While
adaptive raytracing is optionally available within Lightwave (for
selected materials) Lightwave uses a scan-line renderer much like 3DS.

In terms of raw rendering performance 3DS and Lightwave on the same PC
are roughly about the same.

If the scene consists of simple geometry with a small number of
lightsources then 3DS would render about twice to three times faster than
Lightwave.

If the scene is massive (200k polys plus)  with a large number of
lightsources and features motion-blur - then Lightwave has a two or
threefold advantage over 3DS.  Much of this due to the poor virtual
memory support within 3DS itself.


Glyn Williams - Particle Systems Ltd.

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> The real thing is simple:
> LW have ray tracing quality
> while 3Ds have just phong quakity images.

Big deal.  I prefer LW, but most people who are doing animations of significant
size aren't concerned about having raytracing which is often just too time
consuming.  3DS does a great job getting good reflections and shadows without
raytracing and its performance penalty.  And if one *must* have raytracing,
you can get a 3DS plug-in for it.


David.
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From: Ace Miles <[e-mail]>
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To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> >   [e-mail] (Waverider) writes:
> >
> >  Hey all - I just posted a very slick Windows 95 Windows NT utlity for renaming
> >  sequences of files.  Example:  filename000.ext renamed to filename.000
> >                            or:  filename.000 renamed to filename000.ext
> >
> >  You can plug in your own filename, number, and extention.  Very slick windows
> >  interface and it's 32 bit.
> >
> >
> >  It's in the incoming directory on newtek and the LW/incoming directory on
> >  tomahawk..
> >
> >  Enjoy!
>
>         We would, but what's the filename?  >8^)
> >
> >  -Bill Ford
> >

I believe it's called MULTVIEW. I just used it the other day and
it's a pretty cool little utility.

--
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   [e-mail] (work)  or   [e-mail] (home)
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From: [e-mail] (emmanuel olympia)
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I have seen all the stranahan tapes and hungry for more lightwave lessons.
 can you recommend some good LW books that covers modeler, surfacing, and
lighting.  thx


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From: [e-mail] ("Glyn Williams")
Subject: Re: Who's going to NAB?
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If you are going to E3 - See if you can get to see our showreel for
Dreadnaught on the Philips Media Stand.


Glyn Williams - Particle Systems.

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> Does anybody know an easy way to animate facial expressions of
> 3D characters.
> I mean some software uses splines or boxes round the faces of
> characters that alows you to change the facial expresions by
> simply draging some control points that open mouth or eyes and
> so...
>
> I got the impression that lightwave is usefull for flying
> logos and dificult camera movements? and what happens with
> character animation!!!!???
>

I have just finished an extensive test: a real human face under Lightwave.
The face itself was built using Modeler and required a lot of tweaking to
be "just right".
The face also includes two eyeball units and an upper and lower teeth set.
Animation of the face was achieved with an fairly complicated bones
hierarchy.
5 for each eyelid. One for each eyebrow. About 10 making up the jaw and
another 6 or 8 to go the mouth movements.
When complete the face could convincingly smile, blink, frown and deliver
lip-synched dialogue which looked pretty natural.
The hierarchy was set up to assist the animation process. One master bone
controlled the whole jaw. One could blink the both eyelids another
influences all the bones of the lips allowing a pursing action. Yet
another was a smile master - drawing up the corners of the mouth.
        The hardest thing to do in Lightwave was the bone set-up. Both
placing them and adjusting the strength of the bone field to influence
the skin in exactly the right way.

Glyn Williams - Particle Systems

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From: [e-mail] (Brad Peebler)
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[e-mail](Michael Mitchell) wrote:


>Anyone know if newtek is going to have a PRE-NAB meeting on the day
>before NAB? (like they usually do every year?)

>alone know about PLAY? if they are planing the same thing?

>thanks, Mike


NewTek is having an event at NAB. No public announcements have been
made as of yet. I will post details when we make the public
announcement.

BP
NewTek


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From: [e-mail] (Brad Peebler)
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These are all really good suggestions. Just what I like to see up
here! Please send any and all feature requests or suggestions to
[e-mail].

Keep posting them here as well. Sounding off each other will often
generate cool new ideas.

Thanks

BP
NewTek


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From: brad prosise <[e-mail]>
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Has anyone used the full blown pinello plugin for lightwave on
the PC. (not the demo included). I would like some impressions
regarding its use. Also I need to know where I can get it. Is
it made by Xaos Tools or someone else. Thanks for any
information.
I sent this same request a week or so ago but the only responses had
nothing to to with the question.
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In article <4imdqd$[e-mail]>, Eneko Cajigas
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> The real thing is simple:
> LW have ray tracing quality
> while 3Ds have just phong quakity images.

Phong quakity? That's Max the duck's work, I'll bet....  <g>

jd


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From: Frédéric Druilhet <[e-mail]>
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visite my home page
you'll find a part of my work wtih Lightwave.
There is an english version !
This site will nearly be remixed, watch sometimes
frederic druilhet
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From: [e-mail] (Marlon Beltz)
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Subject: Need a Copy of Lightwave for PC
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Anyone have an extra copy of Lightwave for PC for sale?  Mosttly just
need the dongle, have the other stuff.  Please email me at
[e-mail]


Thanks in advance.

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From: Andrew Hofman <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Star Wars and LightWave
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>     The difference is in the art direction. Regardless of the time money and
> talent involved at the animation level, nothing will look like models if the
> intention is to create something different.  People always say that CGI doesn't
> look like models, and I say why should it? Models don't look "real" they look
> "cool".  Did you think the Star Destroyer looked real?  I doubt it.  Did you
> think the T-Rex in Jurassic looked real?  Probably.  We are all used to the
> kind of artificiality that space models have.

Artifical, but also photrealistic -- one does not exclude the other. It is
possible to fool the eye, even when the mind knows that something is most
certainly just an illusion. Take the example of a Star Destroyer. With their use
of motion control, compositing and relative scale, ILM really created the
impression of a huge, ponderous spaecraft. Of course, no such thing exists -- it
was just a model. Everyone knows that. But nevertheless it LOOKED gigantic and
like a "real" spaceship. The eye is tricked. By comparison, few places can manage
to squeeze that same unmistakable look of photorealism out of CGI, even today.
Many more come close, but somehow fall short (assuming they are shooting for
photorealism in the first place).

In cases where a CGI look is desirable, it is obviously silly to criticise
something for looking like CGI. Then it is not a shortcoming but a deliberate
choice, hopefully apparent even to the audience. Toy Story falls into this
category. But when it is used to mimic reality, CGI darn well better deliver or
the whole pretense collapses and it becomes a failed illusion. Despite their
excellence, I think the effects on B5 suffer from this (now watch the flames
ignite). Although that in no way affects my enjoyment of the show.

> As an example of how art
> direction matters, look at the original Flash Gordon serials.  Did those models
> look good OR real?  No way.  The techniques used in Star Wars were the same,
> but the people doing it had a better eye for reality (or percieved reality).
> There have been no technical advancements in special effects since around 1927
> that I'm aware of--even CGI uses the same exact ideas.

True, they didn't look good or real, but everyone knew it. It's the difference
between hand puppets and animatronic robots. By placing your audience in the
proper context, a mere suggestion will suffice. In other situations it's not
nearly enough. The Flash Gordon approach would have been very out of place in the
middle of Fritz Lang's "Metropolis", which strove for a far greater sense of
realism. As far as technical advancements, I don't think those serials used a
whole lot of bluescreen compositing, or multilayer optical printing, or for that
matter slow motion photography. I'd call those technical advancements. True, the
underlying concepts may in some cases predate the 1900's, but "technical" implies
technology, and even in 1975 ILM had much more advanced and/or refined technology.
You might as well say there have been no technical advancements in computing since
the 1940's, since it's all still ones and zeros.

>     The idea for the CGI in Voyager was to duplicate the look of the model, and
> it was accomplished.  The idea for the CGI in B5 is NOT to duplicate models,
> but to try something new and different.  Your brother may not like it, but it's
> not the fault of CGI in general or Lightwave in particular.  The idea for the
> CGI in Space:A&B is to be in the Star Wars vein (but not _exactly_), and I
> think it looks great.  You may be able to look at the show and say "that looks
> like CGI", but, on the other hand, you can look at Star Wars and say "that
> looks like models".

I look at Star Wars and, for the most part, don't think the ships look like
models. I know they are, but let's not get the two mixed up. Knowing it doesn't
mean the eye can't still be fooled. Same thing with Voyager. Not true of B5. As
you say, the CGI in Voyager tries to duplicate the look of the model -- but then
the model itself looks real! On the other hand, I see a lot of CGI that tries for
realism and falls short. Much of it is excellent, but falls short nonetheless. I
enjoy B5 enormously, both for its scripting and its animation, let's get that
straight right now. In fact I vastly prefer it to the often-dorky Voyager, even
though that show has convincingly real ships and B5 doesn't (so clearly effects
aren't everything). I just get tired of hearing LightWavers insist that "not going
for the Star Wars look" is a blanket justification for lack of photorealism. If
Foundation used 3DS instead of LightWave, I'm sure their work would be regularly
crucified on this newsgroup for looking fake. And if Area 51 used 3DS, there would
be grudging but resentful acknowledgment of S:A&B. You can argue that B5 doen't
call for photorealism and that I'm completely off the mark. Fine. I just feel
differently.

BTW, none of this is a criticism of LightWave itself. And despite my criticisms, I
think Foundation IS doing great work.

--
Andrew Hofman
LumaQuest Productions
[e-mail]
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From: Steve Kristiansen <[e-mail]>
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Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 19:30:38 +0100
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Does anyone know if it is possible to map an avi-clip to, say, a
sphere in lightwave? I can load avi-clips, but when rendered,
video is not mapped to the object. It seems like lightwave only
loads the first frame of the avi-videofile, and only maps the still
image to the object. Is this a limitation in lightwave, or am I doing
something wrong?

Steve


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Subject: Advantages of Ngons
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>   [e-mail] (Steven Johansen) writes:
>      But,what special properties (or advantages) do n-polygons
>  give you?
>      Granted a reduced polygon count
>      But in what circumstances are they a benefit.


    It's a hell of a lot easier to see what you are doing with Ngons
rather than peering thru a storm of triangles.


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From: [e-mail] (CEVAnim)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: REQ:  Howto file on Samba and NT configuration
Date: 19 Mar 1996 13:54:17 -0500
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Hello All!
  A while ago, someone posted a very helpful file on how to connect an
amiga to
a screamer using samba on Amitcp.  It would be very helpful if someone
could tell
me where to find that howto file or perhaps re post it.  Thanks!

Mike, CEVA

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From: [e-mail] (Brett Tribble)
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Adam Lowe) wrote:
>On Sat, 16 Mar 1996 01:14:54 GMT, [e-mail] (Ivan Sinclair) wrote:
>
>>I seem to remember a a couple of messages in here from someone who is
>>running Win95 alongside NT (no seperate partition). Is that possible?
>>How well does it work? Thanks.
>><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
>>   Ivan Sinclair - [e-mail]
>>Softwords Research - http://vvv.com
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>
>Works just fine for me...no problems at all.

Yeah, works great, but you do have to install software twice (under each OS),
unless you want to putz around _a_lot_

Brett

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From: [e-mail] (Stuart Ferguson)
Subject: Re: Where are the LW Plug-ins??
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+-- [e-mail] writes:
| I purchased LW Win95/NT a few weeks ago and have been reading
| articles/reviews
| on plug-ins looking to buy some plug-ins for LW. To my amazement
| most of these
| so-called plug-in are actually seperate programs that do not work from within
| LW. This is very dissapointing considering I don't like the fact that modeler
| is seperate and you can't make any adjustment from within Layout.

| Unless I'm mistaken IMPACT, SPARKS, & FIBER FACTORY are not true plug-ins but
| external programs.

The early version of Fiber Factory I played with was certainly a
"true" plug-in.  It was activated from the Modeler UI and displayed
its interface as a standard requester in Modeler.  Once you picked
a function it performed its operation on the selected data in the
current Modeler layer and created the resulting fibers there.

I know from dealing with technical issues from the Sparks people
that Sparks operates as a plug-in as well.  Perhaps it appears to
operate as a separate module, but it gets its capabilities from
the plug-in interface in Layout.

You are correct about IMPACT, however.  It is a separate program
that writes scene-files.  On the other hand, the calculation times
are so great that the best way to save the results might very well
be a scene-file.  This allows you to edit the motion once it's
generated, which can be very important when dealing with the results
of forward kinematics.
--
    Stuart Ferguson        ([e-mail])
        "How do you compute that?  Where on the
         graph do `must' and `cannot' meet?"

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From: Tim Wilson <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Humanoid on CD-ROM
Date: 19 Mar 1996 20:19:59 GMT
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Howdy Folks,
Humanoid for Lightwave is available now on CD-ROM. The scenes,
object files, and directory structures have been reworked for 8.3
characters, so they can be used on any platform, Intel, DEC,
Amiga, etc. But little else has changed at this point.

Currently registered LW-Humanoid users can upgrade to the CD for
$50. However I should warn you that another version is planned
for release shortly after LW 5.0 comes out. Support for IK and a
few other niceties may be added in that next version. If you buy
the current CD now, you will probably have to pay another $50 to
get the 5.0 compatible version when it comes out. (IOW, if you
want to want to wait, you can probably save yourself the extra
$50.)

New users can the get the current CD-ROM version of Humanoid for
the regular list of $195 direct from Crestline right now, or from
a few dealers shortly.

Humanoid is also available on CD-ROM for Imagine in new States
format,... and 3DS (HD disks now, CD soon). Any questions?

-Tim Wilson, Crestline Software
Voice: 1-909-338-1786
Email: [e-mail]

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From: Joe Porkka <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: 32 bit output on Intel Lightwave?
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Most of Elastic Reality's products use HIIP for output.
This includes our Elastic Reality package for Windows 3.1,
Windows NT, and Windows 95.

These packages have had *very* few complaints of file format problems.

It uses (essentially) the same HIIP as what is used in
Lightwave.

Yes the TARGA modules *do* support alpha channels.

I don't know if Lightwave supports saving Alpha channels to
HIIP however.



> From: [e-mail] (Walter (Jay) Turberville )
> Date: 1996/01/13
>
> MessageID: [e-mail]#1/1
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>
> >From: [e-mail] (Chuck Furlong)
> >Subject: 32 bit output on Intel Lightwave?
> >Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 20:58:50 -0600
>
> >Is there such a thing forLightwave?  I want a 24 bit color output with
> >8 bit alpha channel in one file.  Is the only way to achieve this by
> > compositing the two files after rendering?  I'm especially interested
> > in a non-lossy 32 bit (w alpha channel) animation format.
>
> I'm pretty sure the HIIP Targa plugins are supposed to support this.  However,
> these plugins haven't been working correctly in Rev. A and B.  It may be fixed
> in Rev. C.  We have used Elastic Reality in the past to combine files into 32
> bit targas.  What's ironic is that this is the same company that makes the
> HIIP plugins.

Funny how our software doesn't have these problems. Hmmmm..

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Sorry to darken everyones day with the repeated requests for info on video
cards, and I promise this will be the last one from us, but we are looking
for people that are either using the Matrox Millennium PCI 4Mb card or the
Number Nine 9FX Motion 771 PCI 4Mb card with either Windows NT, Windows 95,
or Windows 3.x. We are looking for any problems with either of these cards
running under these systems using Lightwave 3D 4.0vC. If you have read our
earlier posts you know we have a Diamond Edge 3D and have had nothing but
problems with it and are getting rid of it, we don't have time to wait for
Diamond to figure out the problems with it and fix them.
If anyone has any useful advice on cards we have mentioned or knows of a
better card for around $450 that we have failed to notice please E-MAIL us
at the address below, this should help keep the news group tidy and focused
on Lightwave and not on hardware.
Many thanks,

Dave and Sandy

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|>In a message dated 16 Mar 1996 21:22:01 [e-mail] writes:
|>
|>W> What really bugged me during this was how NewTek would claim that B5 was
|>W> done  with LightWave.  Well, my (most current version available) copy of
|>W> LightWave  couldn't do some of what was being done.  They weren't using
|>W> LightWave.  They  were using some special modified version of LightWave.
|>
|>     Try re-creating the M&M's commercials....
|>
|><grunt>
|>
|>Christopher
|>
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 WL> I see this as goodness. Maybe they are using higher level beta version
     than some others have access to, but in the long run LW will be better
     for it. I'm glad that NewTek has people that can push the envelope in
     applications so to speak. Lets face it how many folks out here are even
     equipped to do B 5 stuff, on a production level. Is it unfair to some ?
     I don't think so. I purchased LW knowing well in advance what features it
     has. I don't have the advantage of being a beta tester, so I don't see
     stuff until very late. Now BETA TESTERS, OH just the sound of the words
     sends tingles through your body. The chance to have bleeding edge stuff
     hot off the press . However who saya ALL beta testers are created equal.
     If a developer has a particular client that needs(and will use) an advanced
     feature it serves them well to deal with this client as they see fit.
     Perhaps the feature is not stable enough even to be released to the
     beta testers, but stable enough to give it limited run in an enviornment
     where the response it very controlled and limited. If anybody is unhappy
     with their Beta testing ststus they can probably give it up without hassle.

     -bill